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Re: Buddhismus

PříspěvekNapsal: pát pro 09, 2011 8:04 pm
od Karel

Re: Buddhismus

PříspěvekNapsal: pát pro 09, 2011 8:23 pm
od Karel

Re: Buddhismus

PříspěvekNapsal: pát pro 09, 2011 10:33 pm
od slavek
Nechci nijak obhajovat budhismus. Zaprve tomu nerozumím. Za druhé jsem chtel jen říct, že jsem k na první pohled podobným závěrům došel jinak.

Re: Buddhismus

PříspěvekNapsal: pát pro 09, 2011 10:40 pm
od slavek

Re: Buddhismus

PříspěvekNapsal: sob pro 10, 2011 6:50 am
od Karel

Re: Buddhismus

PříspěvekNapsal: sob pro 10, 2011 11:02 am
od Colombo

Re: Buddhismus

PříspěvekNapsal: ned pro 11, 2011 12:52 am
od slavek

Re: Buddhismus

PříspěvekNapsal: úte pro 13, 2011 6:32 pm
od Shadowman
@Karle,

Zabýval by se Buddha nějakým řešením utrpení, pokud by věděl, že jednou zemře a tím vše končí?

proc by ne? navod na minimalizaci utrpeni je preci vec uzitecna. nepotrebujeme postulovat posmrtny zivot, abychom se zabyvali utrpenim a zacali ho nejakym zpusobem resit.

Re: Buddhismus

PříspěvekNapsal: úte pro 13, 2011 8:29 pm
od Karel

Re: Buddhismus

PříspěvekNapsal: úte pro 13, 2011 10:59 pm
od Shadowman
spis pro zajimavost, opravdu nejsem kompetentni neco dokazovat (byt odbornikem na Tripitaku povazuju jeste za vetsi silenost, nez byt biblistou :)).

tema: posmrtny zivot, reinkarnace, nirvana, samsara

( I: 483):

(72. Aggi Vaččhagotta sutta (Rozprava k Vaččhagottovi o ohni))

Student Buddhy jmenem Vacchagotta se zeptal sveho mistra: "Kam odejde osvicena osoba po smrti?"
Buddha: "Je nemozne rict, jestli bude zcela anihilovana nebo znovuzrozena."
Vacchagotta: "Ale jiste v nejake forme pokracuje."
Buddha: "Jde nekam nebo pokracuje plamen, jakmile spali vsechno sve palivo?"
Vacchagotta: "Ne."
Buddha: "Stejne jako plamen zhasne pote, co vsechno palivo shori, tak i osviceny zhasne kdyz jeho slozky [pet svazku - 5 skandh] jiz vice nejsou (telo, pocity, mentalni dispozice a vedomi)."

jedna se o muj volny preklad vytahu dane casti v anglictine (vytah z pera Stephena T. Asmy). anglicky preklad je od I.B. Hornera: The Book of Middle Length Sayings, 1954-9, 3 volumes, Bristol: Pali Text Society.

jiny anglicky preklad prislusne casti Tripitaky: http://ebooks.gutenberg.us/WorldeBookLi ... mn072.html
jeden volny cesky preklad: http://www.lampa.cz/buddhtexty/ohen.html

mozna interpretace: stejne jako je absurdni ptat se, kam se podel plamen, jsou absurdni metafyzicke spekulace o udalostech po smrti. musime zustat neutralni. jit stredni cestou mezi anihilaci a posmrtnym zivotem nebo se proste zdrzet usudku. Buddha byl zrejme relativista, agnostik, skeptik nebo neco na ten zpusob.

osobni poznamka: pokud se Gautama jen nezdrzuje usudku nebo neporusuje zakon sporu nebo vylouceneho tretiho, mozna to videl ateisticky :) clovek neprechazi do nicoty (anihilace?) ani do jine formy existence, vyhasne jako plamen, zahyne, ale prave ne v tom smyslu, ze by nejaka jeho cast (treba duse) presla do nejake prazdnoty nebo nicoty (coz je samo o sobe nonsense - prazdne pseudopojmy).

technicka poznamka: omlouvam se za neprehlodnost zpusobenou ruznymi prepisy budd. terminu (anglictina/cestina/pali/sanskrt) a michanim ruznych zdroju, ale vite, jak je to s nabozenskymi texty...puvodne jsem to ani publikovat nechtel, ale kdyz uz jsem tenhle prispevek sepisoval...
jak rikal Karel, hodil by se nejaky buddhista, nejlepe buddholog.